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The deliberate LIES told by Obama & Co. ----- **

[Post edited by Mr Wahoo at 01/13/2017 10:31AM]

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Posted: 01/13/2017 at 10:30AM

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Are there any large differences between Paul Ryan's "A Better Way" -- SabreNation 01/13/2017 09:04AM

Don't see it mentioned below and I believe it's in the full video iirc -- Hoodafan 01/13/2017 2:13PM

Thank you! -- SabreNation 01/13/2017 3:54PM

I thought about taking the snarky, heavily politically spun approach -- Hoodafan 01/13/2017 4:15PM

Funny. Those look like tweaks to me. -- HoosWillWin 01/13/2017 2:46PM

If that's all that is needed as claimed by the Dems, why wasn't it done? ** -- Hoodafan 01/13/2017 3:43PM

Don't know the particulars. I suspect it had something to do with -- HoosWillWin 01/13/2017 5:37PM

Did he say how much less Trumpcare premiums will go down over ACA -- Shenhoo 01/13/2017 12:04PM

He doesn't address how to get everyone in the pool. I heard him last night -- Seattle .Hoo 01/13/2017 11:18AM

Is there still an individual mandate? ** -- RML Hoos 01/13/2017 10:04AM

Some. The main differences I see, are where -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 09:34AM

Ryan said it was a refundable credit that people got no matter what. -- fphoo 01/13/2017 11:39AM

Government subsidy regardless, similar to ACA ** -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 12:09PM

But without imposing mandates/restrictions on what the majority can buy ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 1:40PM

That's not a good thing if anyone wants it to work. ** -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 2:29PM

Why not fund required subsidies thru taxes and leave everyone else alone? ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 2:34PM

Because you need people to actually get insurance, and last I checked tax -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 3:21PM

Fund a universal cat plan & Medicaid for the poor. Let everyone buy more if -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 4:04PM

No offense, but that might be the worst idea I've ever heard. You're -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 4:28PM

I disagree. Medicaid covers those who cannot afford. The cat plan -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 4:47PM

Medicaid provides comprehensive coverage to people who are very poor. What -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 5:24PM

Yiou don't quite have Medicaid right. If I do not have -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 5:19PM

Do you pay taxes? ** -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 2:42PM

Is this an attempt to answer my question to RQ? ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 2:48PM

Discussion is about why we have mandates and restrictions ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 2:51PM

We have mamdates to get more young and healthy people -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 5:14PM

Republican free shit is different. ** -- Shenhoo 01/13/2017 11:44AM

Then it's a "business incentive." Because you're not giving some poor -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 11:48AM

A tax credit does not depend on taxes -- AlexHoo 01/13/2017 10:35AM

Then it is nothing different than what the ACA does , right? ** -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 12:07PM

With out the government takeover of the health insurance industry -- AlexHoo 01/13/2017 2:54PM

Your post really demonstrates how little you actually understand about -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 5:11PM

Another empty insult with no facts ** -- AlexHoo 01/13/2017 9:37PM

The facts are all over this page. the facts have been shown to you -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 9:43PM

Other than the fact that it won't work. -- southdenverhoo 01/13/2017 1:46PM

ACA also restricts what can be offered and purchased in the open market ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 1:42PM

Some are ** -- Shenhoo 01/13/2017 10:55AM

Well sure ... His isn't a socialist takeover of the world's greatest health -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 09:25AM

If you are going to provide subsidized Healthcare to millions of Americans -- Tuckahokie 01/13/2017 09:38AM

So it's exactly the same? ** -- WahooRQ 01/13/2017 10:22AM

Not so long as everyone else's insurance plans are left the hell alone ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 10:52AM

Insurance companies change their plans all the time. -- Shenhoo 01/13/2017 11:54AM

How does that justify gov't interference in what companies can offer? ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 1:36PM

...as Justice Roberts correctly stated, it is a tax. That was not how it -- Tuckahokie 01/13/2017 10:24AM

Right...it was sold as a penalty. Same cost, different -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 12:11PM

Now, why do you think the President and others felt the need to -- Hokie5150 01/13/2017 12:39PM

That's a really poorly thought out question -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 9:41PM

Yes, and the ACA did NOT change that. We were already -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 09:55AM

ACA's fatal flaw was limiting the options of those already with coverage. ** -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 10:13AM

Only a fatal flaw if left unaddressed, which of course was the GOP's intent ** -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 12:08PM

Huh? What makes ACA unpopular are the coverage mandates and restrictions. -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 1:33PM

More popular? Don't know. That would certainly -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 3:08PM

Have taxes fund universal cat plan & Medicaid for the poor. Allow the rest -- Sabremetrician 01/13/2017 3:44PM

That is very close to what I recommend. The complication -- 111Balz 01/13/2017 5:24PM

...but the promises made during the sales phase were broken ** -- Tuckahokie 01/13/2017 10:02AM

The deliberate LIES told by Obama & Co. ----- ** -- Mr Wahoo 01/13/2017 10:30AM

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