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It actually hasn't been a catastrophic failure so far, but you are correct

that that is the cost-benefit analysis which must be done.

What we can and should do about it.

I think we are now almost at the point which you and a few others have argued we should have been at in March 2020 and every minute since then. I think you were wrong, and it would have been tragic had we followed your advice.

My opinion, which I think is probably the national plurality, is that we will be at that back-to-normal point when the Omicron wave is fully behind us. Probably by the end of February, possibly mid-March.

Places that are further along the downslope on the backside of Omicron will get back to normal sooner than those closest to the peak. (It will be a slower fall than the rise was, on a graph where the x axis is cases and the y axis is time.).

Most larger population localities in Colorado are letting mask mandates expire without renewal this week, or next, are actively terminating them.

A lot of death could have been avoided had we not had such a large percentage of vaccine holdouts, but that's the price of freedom of speech, which includes freedom to misinform (short of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater) and freedom to believe any stupid fucking thing you want to. If there's anything catastrophic about our response, it's this, but it's baked into the system.

(In response to this post by Los Angeles Hoo)

Posted: 02/03/2022 at 1:25PM

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