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So here's the million dollar question: was there a "swelling of support"

for Donald Trump in those states, or just a cratering of support and turnout for Hillary? The numbers seem to say the latter: if you compare how many votes Romney got in '12 to Trump in Michigan and Wisconsin they are roughly the same. Hillary, OTOH, got a few hundred thousand fewer votes than Obama did in both states. Trump did significantly better than Romney did in PA and OH, but again got fewer votes than Obama did in 2008 or 2012.

Could it just come down to turnout and candidate appeal in what looks like a hopelessly divided country? I'm starting to think that really is the answer, as unfortunate as it may be. Wish there were a way to bridge the gap but it's almost like we have two completely different countries that co-exist and, quite frankly, don't like each other very much.

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Posted: 11/16/2016 at 09:21AM

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Report that Bill disagreed with HRC strategy and where the blame lays -- Joey Wahoo 11/16/2016 07:22AM

Don't think anyone doubt Bill is the better politician. Was thinking before -- JohnHoo2 11/16/2016 11:28AM

I keep seeing different iterations of the same theme. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/16/2016 09:14AM

So here's the million dollar question: was there a "swelling of support" -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 09:21AM

What was she doing in Arizona the last week of the campaign? -- southdenverhoo 11/16/2016 5:37PM

It's a good question -- she was certainly overconfident although the Comey -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 6:05PM

That answer sounds like throwing in the towel. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/16/2016 10:28AM

It's a bit cynical but may be reality. I wish the Dems could do a better -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 10:53AM

If I'm preaching, I'm preaching humility. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/16/2016 11:34AM

In the words of HRC, "what difference does it make"? ** -- wahoo138 11/16/2016 09:49AM

It makes a huge difference for policies and candidates going forward. ** -- VAGentleman05 11/16/2016 10:14AM

"It's the economy, stupid". If Bill is giving you campaign advice, -- BocaHoo91 11/16/2016 08:55AM

Bill should've dumped her years ago. He oughta cut and run ASAP. ** -- Mr Wahoo 11/16/2016 08:55AM

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From what I hear, they were oblivious to the infrastructure Johnson had in -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 09:09AM

Sanders won Wisconsin and Michigan. Seems there would be good reason... -- Joey Wahoo 11/16/2016 09:00AM

Fwiw the ads described were the same, and only, ones she ran -- southdenverhoo 11/16/2016 5:40PM

Over/Under on days when divorce papers are filed? -- Wahoo Ron 11/16/2016 08:34AM

Why? They haven't lived together for a decade. ** -- Hoogle.com 11/16/2016 09:31AM

I've heard rumors you bang goats. -- hooshouse 11/16/2016 08:42AM

Lame ** -- TpkeHoo 11/16/2016 08:47AM

Heard rumors you sleep in a Fighting Irish t-shirt ** -- hooshouse 11/16/2016 09:05AM

Yep. Right after I pound your wife ** -- TpkeHoo 11/16/2016 09:10AM

Then you drive off in your Iroc blasting Nickelback. Just admit it. -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 09:11AM

Tanning Salon? Sheet, I got my own bed! GTL Baby ** -- TpkeHoo 11/16/2016 09:14AM

When I read your posts, I picture Meat Head Rob Lowe. ** -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 09:15AM

And I thought you might go Tony Danza or Gianni Bon Jovi ** -- TpkeHoo 11/16/2016 09:18AM

Nah, runner up would be Paulie D or the Situation. ** -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 09:24AM

Well at least somebody got the GTL reference ** -- TpkeHoo 11/16/2016 09:34AM

More voters would get that reference than be able to intelligently vote. ** -- Hoodafan 11/16/2016 10:57AM

Yes, these bullshit stories about the Clintons ARE lame. ** -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 08:49AM

Have to agree with the lefties here. I call bullshit on that -- BocaHoo91 11/16/2016 08:58AM

Snopes says the rumor originated with Alex Jones and another nutcase -- Joey Wahoo 11/16/2016 09:02AM

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Seems sketchy - wouldn't be surprised if this is a fabrication meant to -- WahooRQ 11/16/2016 08:21AM

That's great, but she offered little of significance on the economic front -- Stimp 11/16/2016 08:03AM

This would explain Bill's ObamaCare comments -- wahoo138 11/16/2016 08:01AM

Wouldn't attacking the tepid economy be a repudiation of Obama-nomics? ** -- Tuckahokie 11/16/2016 07:58AM

There's no doubt that Bill is the natural politician in the family. ** -- VAGentleman05 11/16/2016 07:47AM

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Not to worry. Vlad can get you a copy of all the contents. :-) ** -- Hoodafan 11/16/2016 11:04AM