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Another word: Arizona.

I've been reading about prop 123 down there. The governor and legislature have been making deep cuts to education funding due to deep reductions in taxes, benefitting primarily their buddies, of course. Now they propose to shore up school funding by selling off the state land trust, roughly 9M acres the state received at statehood from which the state is able to get funds from leasing. At the same time, $5M has showed up in the state budget to help fund the ASU Center for the Study of Economic Liberty, initiated by, naturally, the Koch brothers through tax-exempt funding by their "charitable trusts," a classic tax loophole.

The Kochs and others of course have also been championing the sell off of public lands nationally, inspiring guys like Cliven Bundy as well as the little Bundy that occupied Malheur, to help them in their quest against BLM and their management of public lands. In Arizona, who do you want to bet will be at the top of the list for the land sale resulting from 123?

So, we argue about whether liberals are smug, while the TP/GOP distracts us with faux controversies and then enables policies that steal us blind.

(In response to this post by WaxHoo)

Link: Wise up, Arizona

Posted: 04/22/2016 at 11:21AM

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Interesting article -- AlexHoo 04/21/2016 4:51PM

I read that last night. It's a fantastic piece. And I thought Vox was FOS -- KaHOOnah 04/22/2016 2:42PM

Education is key, but we outspend just about every other nation -- BocaHoo91 04/22/2016 5:07PM

Given the federal system here, I'm unconvinced that adequate funding -- KaHOOnah 04/22/2016 6:00PM

Those kids get far more education at home -- KCHoo 04/22/2016 8:50PM

Yeah I liked it too, though 4x too long. I really try, around here, to -- southdenverhoo 04/22/2016 4:20PM

Having read every single word of that -- SixerHoo 04/22/2016 11:49AM

McConnell meets on inauguration day to set up stonewall. -- WarmHoo 04/26/2016 2:34PM

Hey, I view Hokies similarly, if it makes you feel better. ** -- Shenhoo 04/22/2016 11:43AM

Much different from declaring liberalism is a mental disorder? -- JohnHoo2 04/22/2016 11:24AM

This paragraph jumped off the page, a moment of blinding clarity: -- WaxHoo 04/22/2016 10:39AM

One word: Kansas -- WaxHoo 04/22/2016 10:33AM

Another word: Arizona. -- Seattle .Hoo 04/22/2016 11:21AM

Not to be outdone: Louisiana (link) -- WaxHoo 04/22/2016 5:15PM

Interesting to witness the board Liberati declaring a pox on Vox (vs. Fox)** -- Tuckahokie 04/22/2016 10:01AM

I think that was my first interaction with Vox. I think -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 5:54PM

Vox always seems pedantic to me. -- KaHOOnah 04/22/2016 2:57PM

That's because Vox mocks the box of rocks ** -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 04/22/2016 10:18AM

I'd upvote this if I could :)** -- WaxHoo 04/22/2016 10:34AM

I threw an up vote on it for 'ya ** -- Tuckahokie 04/22/2016 1:08PM

Thx! ** -- WaxHoo 04/22/2016 3:56PM

Not purely a lib affliction. Smugness comes with sharp partisanship. -- hoolstoptheheels 04/22/2016 09:53AM

Likewise, the right think non-right-leaning citizens shouldn't have voting -- WaxHoo 04/22/2016 11:17AM

Re: Not purely a lib affliction. Smugness comes with sharp partisanship. -- Beerman 04/22/2016 11:06AM

Semantics, but when people talk about "liberal democracies" -- hoolstoptheheels 04/22/2016 2:25PM

Semantics indeed -- Beerman 04/25/2016 4:00PM

"it's insulting to say that poor are out to vote themselves money" vs -- HokieDan95 04/22/2016 09:18AM

Smug article -- DanTheFan 04/22/2016 09:03AM

LOL, the victim complex grows shriller each day. Not to mention -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 08:59AM

If you had bothered to read it -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 04/22/2016 09:19AM

RQ is unburdened by the thought process. ** -- HokieDan95 04/22/2016 09:31AM

Not everyone considers critical thinking a 'burden' but I get that some do. ** -- SchmHoo 04/22/2016 2:21PM

Stick to screeching about trannies, furries, and other things that -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 09:25AM

And always double-down... ** -- Hokie5150 04/22/2016 09:53AM

Maize is one of the sharpest cats on here -- ShenanHOOah 04/22/2016 09:49AM

He may be sharp, but I haven't seen any evidence of that on this board -- KaHOOnah 04/22/2016 2:25PM

That's a "+1" post if ever there were one... ** -- Hokie5150 04/22/2016 11:08AM

You're not new here, so I have to assume you've either conveniently..... -- SchmHoo 04/22/2016 10:25AM

LOL! or not ** -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 10:02AM

Are you serious? -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 10:00AM

Here's a line you missed from the article -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 04/22/2016 10:30AM

You don't have to tell me you're humorless. That much is abundantly clear. -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 1:44PM

You recall correctly, we've had some good convos -- ShenanHOOah 04/22/2016 10:25AM

The story you told about (possibly) JM still haunts me, btw. -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 10:35AM

Me too. Will never know if it was him, but feel better he's behind bars -- ShenanHOOah 04/22/2016 10:37AM

I just tried to read that garbage. I got through most of it -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 09:35AM

Your over simplification of the issues is the righteous smugness the a -- Hoojack 04/22/2016 10:10AM

Not to mention, Southern Dems left the party for other reasons than -- JMHoo 04/22/2016 11:16AM

Plenty of working class white people still vote Dem. -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 10:30AM

I was commenting on a opinion column. I called no one -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 10:16AM

So in other words, yes, you didn't bother clicking on the article, but -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 04/22/2016 09:32AM

As stated in the OP, skimmed enough to quickly realize it wasn't worth -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 09:39AM

No, he already said he read a few paragraphs. -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 09:36AM

You are confusing fear with disagreement ** -- HokieDan95 04/22/2016 09:39AM

Then went on another numbskull rant to cover it up ** -- HokieDan95 04/22/2016 09:34AM

You actually seem to be a living breathing example -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 09:37AM

Funny, I would consider you the living breathing example of why that column -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 04/22/2016 10:24AM

SMH counts as a post and we all know that's what matters. ** -- PalmyraHoo 04/22/2016 4:10PM

I've tried, dude, but you don't "engage" and you don't like -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 12:54PM

Smh, Balz. Smh. -- WahooRQ 04/22/2016 1:55PM

LOL! I thought you were linking me to a post of mine -- 111Balz 04/22/2016 5:58PM

KMA -- Shenhoo 04/22/2016 11:44AM

Dead on target post... ** -- Hokie5150 04/22/2016 11:37AM

I think the author's axe has been ground into powder. Lordy. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 04/22/2016 12:21AM

For real. I was like "u mad, bro?" -- Ray Qwon the Chef 04/22/2016 2:19PM

^^^^^this ** -- SixerHoo 04/22/2016 12:00PM

It's not our fault you're scared little dumbasses. -- HowieT3 04/21/2016 10:27PM

Anybody else have posters that immediately came to mind? ** -- TpkeHoo 04/21/2016 9:05PM

I would not have expected that article from Vox -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 04/21/2016 7:09PM

The counter to that is that they also have a much more consistent and ... -- Hoojack 04/21/2016 7:32PM

I can't think of a reply without proving the writer's point :) ** -- HoosGuy 04/21/2016 6:33PM

Great post. Hilarious how the great majority here don't -- hoosdamayun 04/27/2016 10:35AM

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I agree, with most of what you say, but what I find offensive -- AlexHoo 04/21/2016 6:41PM

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A long article to summarize what we can see in only a few short posts :>) ** -- Tuckahokie 04/21/2016 5:02PM

I still need Cliff's Notes for this ** -- Hoogle.com 04/21/2016 5:19PM