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WahooRQ

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I think that's all accurate but my point was more that Lee fought a war


against the US, and the war's purpose was to preserve a plantation economy built on slave labor. That's my only real issue with the statues of him/naming things after him. I don't think Lee was a bad guy -- I think the Confederacy was a bad cause that has no business being celebrated. I also think it's telling that there was a movement to name things after Civil War generals (JEB Stuart High School, for example) during the Civil Rights Era as a big middle finger.

Back to Lee, not to go all Godwin's Law on you but a similar analogy could be drawn to the Prussian Generals in the Third Reich. I don't think Rommel, Mannstein, Guderian, etc. were any less honorable than Patton, Montgomery, or Nimitz. Certainly not evil genocidal Nazis the likes of Goebbels, Hitler, and Himmler -- but I can see where people would be offended if there were statues celebrating their military service in the name of the Reich all over Germany. They did, afterall, fight and kill on the latter list's behalf. I think the Civil War stuff is similar (and really can see why African Americans or other minorities are offended by it, especially given the Civil Rights tie-in.

Re Jefferson, Washington, etc. -- I honestly don't fault the Founding Fathers or others who lived during their times much for having slaves. People's moral constructs are influenced by the environment they grow up around. That said, it is fascinating that men so visionary in the concepts of personal liberty could have such a glaring blind spot, but no one is perfect.

And yes, all the militant "safe zone" crap annoys the shit out of me as much as anyone. But if they want to rename Washington Washington-Carver, who am I to stand in the way?

(In response to this post by southdenverhoo)

Posted: 04/20/2016 at 1:05PM



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Lee Park -- cvilleHOOrat 04/19/2016 1:27PM
  While I can understand why people might be offended -- 111Balz 04/20/2016 09:55AM
  Social Justice Warrior ** -- HokieDan95 04/20/2016 10:44AM
  Its not in yours? ** -- hoothat 04/20/2016 1:37PM
  So? ** -- 111Balz 04/20/2016 5:37PM
  And? ** -- HokieDan95 04/20/2016 6:17PM
  It is in fact a pejorative term ** -- KCHoo 04/20/2016 3:05PM
  Oh yes of course ** -- HokieDan95 04/20/2016 1:27PM
  Wow, what a joke -- hoothat 04/20/2016 03:56AM
  Enlighten me ** -- cvilleHOOrat 04/20/2016 07:42AM
  Nah, do your own research -- hoothat 04/20/2016 10:11AM
  ...google, library, etc. -- hoothat 04/20/2016 10:26AM
  Cool, that is why Grant gets a pass right? -- hoothat 04/20/2016 10:54AM
  Hugh? ** -- Hoogle.com 04/20/2016 11:28AM
  Are you kidding? -- WahooRQ 04/20/2016 11:08AM
  No, see below. -- hoothat 04/20/2016 1:01PM
  I doubt if you asked any soldier why they fought -- hoothat 04/20/2016 1:46PM
  Wow -- hoothat 04/20/2016 2:07PM
  I have read plenty. You should read more. -- 111Balz 04/20/2016 2:11PM
  The only delusion I had was believing -- hoothat 04/20/2016 2:38PM
  We will never agree -- hoothat 04/20/2016 6:24PM
  Sorry, he ran the plantation till 1859 -- hoothat 04/20/2016 2:00PM
  I corrected myself, mistakes are made -- hoothat 04/20/2016 3:14PM
  Lol -- hoothat 04/20/2016 4:29PM
  Cool, thanks for sharing. -- WahooRQ 04/20/2016 4:43PM
  Dunno honestly -- hoothat 04/20/2016 5:42PM
  All in good fun? -- hoothat 05/18/2019 04:13AM
  He'd tell you, but then he'd have to kill you. ** -- WahooRQ 04/20/2016 08:46AM
  Good to see you are still an asshat. ** -- hoothat 04/20/2016 10:04AM
  That seems a bit oversimplified, Balz. Even for you** -- ShenanHOOah 04/20/2016 11:09AM
  Really? why? ** -- 111Balz 04/20/2016 12:53PM

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