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I have the benefit of speaking with Jewish kids who’ve experienced the

Intimidation. In cases I know of (at schools as diverse as SUNY New Paltz to NYU), kids weren’t protesting. They were walking around with a Star of David.

I don’t know the status of all the investigations into the instances cited in this report. But I do know that they should not be dismissed any more casually than any other reports of bigotry. Particularly when it’s now a widely reported nationwide trend.

I don’t believe many on the left would react with this level of dismissiveness to so many reports of bigotry against black or brown or gay people. HO’s motivations are irrelevant.

[Post edited by hoolstoptheheels at 04/21/2024 11:52AM]

(In response to this post by Chuck Taylor)

Posted: 04/21/2024 at 11:51AM

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