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It's a concern for me, and would be a huge concern if it were Bernie vs.

Trump, but at this point I'd even vote for Bernie without hesitation.... we desperately need a normal adult in the White House.

Joe is a placeholder. Someone to come in and return a little bit of normalcy to our government. He is not going to push a radical progressive agenda even though he will be pressured to do so. Hopefully the GOP can reboot in the meantime and run a non lunatic for president in 2024.

I remember thinking how bad things were going to be when Clinton was elected in 92. I was still young and dumb, and being a child of the 70s and 80's the only thing I knew was 12 years of republican leadership under Reagan and Bush along with the 4 years of "malaise" under carter. As a young conservative 23 year old in 1992, I was convinced Clinton was going to be a disaster. Then the next 8 years turned out to be pretty good for the country, and for me personally. By the time Obama was elected, I had come to realize that I'll likely be OK no matter who is president... so long as our system of government that made this country great remained in tact. With Trump, I'm not convinced that will be the case.

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Posted: 09/25/2020 at 2:35PM

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Does it bother anybody that military personnel say Trump is unfit? -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 1:58PM

Is there a free link for this article? ** -- HokieDelNorte 09/25/2020 3:18PM

It was for me with AdBlock off -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 3:31PM

TY for cut & paste. ** -- HokieDelNorte 09/25/2020 3:49PM

It definitely bothers me that Trump is incurious and incompetent. -- hoodeyo 09/25/2020 2:34PM

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Different light from the original narrative "Russia put bounties on -- hoodeyo 09/25/2020 4:18PM

This is the closest I can find, which in the best case, says they -- HoosWillWin 09/25/2020 3:12PM

Yes for sure. Add it to the huge list. ** -- DTsBicep 09/25/2020 2:25PM

Dan Coats, his former DNI, is still concerned about Trump's ... -- Blah 09/25/2020 2:16PM

Dan Coats. The man that had exculpatory info and kept it from Flynn... -- hoothat 09/26/2020 11:45AM

Everybody knows he’s a deep state, Obama holdover, loser, sucker and -- CharlestonSC 09/25/2020 2:26PM

It definitely bothers me. -- HAZER 09/25/2020 2:16PM

Good god, if you believe this you are truly delusional. ** -- 81_Hokie 09/25/2020 2:55PM

Okay, well, I'm not alone. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 3:41PM

Yeah. It's around 37%, I believe of you. ** -- Shenhoo 09/25/2020 3:50PM

Whoa. Idiotic? Have mercy. ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 2:45PM

He was a disaster and in over his head. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 3:40PM

And Trump...? ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 4:13PM

Much of the same but with a much better economy. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 4:29PM

Yeah, thanks Obama ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 4:31PM

LMAO, that's rich. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 4:35PM

Yeah, trump inherited an economic disaster and fixed it. LMAO! ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 4:37PM

Pretty much ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 4:38PM

Fox tell you that? ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 4:45PM

Eric Trump, of course. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 5:05PM

Not surprised. Facts don’t matter ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 5:14PM

Shhh...quiet GD it Norcal. -- HAZER 09/25/2020 5:49PM

I'm sorry but this is a pretty bad take -- Bacon 09/25/2020 2:28PM

LOL, you've got to be shitting me on Obama. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 3:39PM

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No, I don't. I could you a list of his petulant behaviors. -- HAZER 09/25/2020 4:38PM

Try getting outside of the far-right bubble -- Bacon 09/25/2020 3:43PM

That's absioutely false. I wasn't a fan of Obama's economic policies ... -- Blah 09/25/2020 2:25PM

Rose colored glasses? He was an utter shit show. ** -- HAZER 09/25/2020 3:42PM

I'm curious what Obama did wrong and why it's worse than Trump ** -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 3:55PM

How did anything Obama do even touch the clusterfuck -- Shenhoo 09/25/2020 4:24PM

I firmly disagree on the relative shitshow-ness -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 2:23PM

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Nobody Bodda Me (the young'uns won't remember that) ** -- Tuckahokie 09/25/2020 2:22PM

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Avoiding massive deficits is always a concern. But fir some time now -- TomGlansAski 09/25/2020 2:50PM

What ROI are you talking about? Or deficits? I am talking -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:12PM

The debt is the result of deficits. The former is a balance sheet item, -- TomGlansAski 09/25/2020 3:18PM

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It's a concern for me, and would be a huge concern if it were Bernie vs. -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 2:35PM

They aren't progressive. Joe Biden is establishment. -- Hokieesith 09/25/2020 2:31PM

Biden is an impediment who will be removed. IMHO ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:35PM

Q much? ** -- WaxHoo 09/25/2020 2:46PM

How? 25th amendment doesn't work. -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 2:40PM

How? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:38PM

A tearful resignation in year two for health reasons. IMO. ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:43PM

OK, even if I accept this premise... Harris isn't a radical progressive -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 2:59PM

Harris' campaign proposals were radical. ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:10PM

Such as? -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 3:15PM

Attached -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:23PM

Doesn't seem terribly radical to me. I'm not on board with some of them, -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 3:34PM

As a Never Trumper, I find many of these shocking. ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:35PM

Which ones? I'm genuinely interested in a debate about -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 4:26PM

Agree with your "Mostly Disagree" ( make mine "Disagree") -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 6:27PM

Couple of thoughts -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 7:41PM

You had me convinced on Medicare for All until you got to the -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 8:00PM

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So, this would be a better system than the current one? I -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 9:52PM

I support a ton of those things. Most are hardly radical ideas. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 3:27PM

Which of these don't you support? ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:29PM

I'd have to hear specifics on reparations, college loan debt, farm policies -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 3:37PM

Oh well. Trump would be gone and Harris President. Vast improvement! ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:45PM

Bingo. Now you get it ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:46PM

I will be happy to debate policy like normal in 2021 -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 2:26PM

This is Trump and his sychophants fault. They gave the moderates no chioce. -- Blah 09/25/2020 2:22PM

Ha, Seattle.Hoo does not agree with you. But, as you know, -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:34PM

Are you really complaining about the national debt? Really? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:37PM

Yes, I am. Trump increased it 25% in one month. How much under -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:40PM

The facts doesn't support your concern -- Bacon 09/25/2020 2:49PM

Facts: -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:20PM

You think all of that will pass with a slim lead in the Senate? Come on man -- Bacon 09/25/2020 3:34PM

There's certainly a danger. But we're damned near a third world country -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:44PM

I don't believe that narrative at all. On the other hand, the D's didn't -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:24PM

That's a fair argument, but Trump gave AOC a platform. -- Blah 09/25/2020 2:29PM

I rather like some of her ideas and I'd like to have some of them debated -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:36PM

Are you really concerned about the deficit or just bitching? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:20PM

Check my posts. All I care about is the economy. -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:45PM

Free stuff like corporate bailouts slush funds and farm subsidies? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:47PM

Peanuts. ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 2:48PM

Yes arguably. I'd throw in defense spending. Is there an ROI for these? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:59PM

ROI for defense? Good question ** -- Hoogle.com 09/25/2020 3:25PM

It is a good question. What is our requirement and what weapons systems -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 3:39PM

I think it's more than simple greed. I think we have devolved into such an -- 81_Hokie 09/25/2020 2:17PM

Fake news by ex White House employees.... -- BocaHoo91 09/25/2020 2:10PM

We don't need retired military people to tell us what is obvious. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/25/2020 2:09PM

The chorus of repubs saying he's unfit is much broader than the military -- Bacon 09/25/2020 2:07PM

I think these are all retired personnel speaking out. ** -- NJHoo 09/25/2020 2:06PM

Sorry, should have made that clear. ** -- CMUHoo 09/25/2020 2:19PM

Can you IMAGINE what will be said when he leaves the WH? ** -- HoodatB 09/25/2020 2:15PM

Seriously, it will be an avalanche of criticism and scandal -- Bacon 09/25/2020 2:24PM