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Well, yeah, they probably would, if they didn't fear that management would


call them "soft" and a problem for someone else to deal with, and tell them they should just get over it because "that's life."

More seriously...

There is a LOT of room between the obvious harassment/bad behavior and good behavior.  I think of a story a woman told me of when she had to go to the office of a VP she hadn't previously met to walk him through a complex analysis she had done.  As soon as she walked into his office, he looked her up & down in a creepy way, but that was it (there was someone else in the room who apparently didn't notice the ogling).

The next day she told another woman who was even more junior than she was, and the other woman said, "oh yeah, all the younger women know he's a total creep."

In theory not a big deal, and she could easily get over that happening if she was walking down the street or at a bar or whatever, but being at work made it different.  She was nervous about being alone in a room with the VP - if he would so obviously leer at her when someone else was in the room, would he go further if they were alone?  What if she had an amazing career opportunity that required working closely with (or reporting to) him?  Would she take it and risk the sexual harassment or decline to avoid the potential harassment but seriously hurt her career trajectory?

She couldn't go to HR with "he looked me up & down," so she felt stuck just trying to avoid the guy and hoping that he didn't actually do something to another woman.

I feel like goals of DEI include highlighting these types of different experiences that women and minorities can go through that do cause unnecessary stress and can alter career paths.  As CMU pointed out - the situations talented people leave because they want to avoid them rather than the obvious ones that get people fired.  How many women might have risen to C-level positions but chose a lower career trajectory to avoid potential harassment by a creep?

Yes, a lot of DEI is being implemented terribly (including, it sounds like, the training at your company), but if done right (admittedly no easy feat) I do believe there can be a lot of value in it.

(In response to this post by BocaHoo91)

Posted: 03/21/2024 at 9:28PM



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