Clearly he has failed several times as many of the best entrepreneurs have, but he's bounced back in a number of interesting ways. I'm not sure he's any better off than he would have been had he just let pros put his daddy's money to work, but it has been an interesting life and he's shown a lot of resilience.

Doesn't mean he hasn't lost many steps, or his true talents may be in something else besides operating a business (he's a sales guy through and through, not clear that he could operate his way out of a paper bag).

And Sleepy actually destroyed him in the debate in 2020. I was actually pretty shocked to see it, but shouldn't have been after his performance in the Axios interview. He was then, and is now, a confused old man. No better than Joe, but you can continue on with your platitudes.