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I wont vote for HRC. I'm no Trump fan either. Like the Brexit voters who

Lost, I wouldn't mind a do-over on the Republican primaries. And I know it's wishful thinking but I wouldn't mind seeing him tank in the polls in the next 2 weeks where he says F it. But that ain't gonna happen. So I'm stuck in a tough spot. I will consider Johnson even though that just seems like a vote for HRC. But that shouldn't matter to me as my state will not be in contention. I actually met your preferred candidate several times and couldn't find anything redeeming or appealing.

I think Trump is an awful candidate. He really is taking the cult of personality to new heights. I have no idea if he would be an awful president though. Some things he says resonate. Others not so much at all. But I don't think he's the racist he is being portrayed as. A bully? Absolutely. A blowhard? Yep. A buffoon? No.

Everyday this is looking more and more like her election to lose. And he seems to be making it easier. But there is a significant portion of the population who feel that the system no longer or perhaps never did work for them. And they will be heard in this go-round. 20 years ago it was 20-30% that wanted an outsider. This year it may be 40-50%. It's unfortunate that Trump seized that mantle because I think a talented outsider could do a lot of good and help restore a lot of folks confidence. The system is beyond broken. Folks like Reid, McConnell, Pelosi aren't acting the people's best interests. And 4 more years of Clinton ethics isn't going to be productive.

[Post edited by TpkeHoo at 06/27/2016 9:26PM]

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Posted: 06/27/2016 at 8:32PM

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RCP Electoral Map Clinton 211 Donald 164 Toss Up 163 Week1 -- Lazarus 06/27/2016 2:41PM

W/out anything big coming out against Clinton, this wll be an uphill climb -- JohnHoo2 06/27/2016 3:21PM

Except that they aren't in any way equally depressing. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/27/2016 4:38PM

I agree. Clinton is more depressing. Trump is more terrifying. ** -- 81_Hokie 06/27/2016 7:09PM

They absolutely are if one values liberty... ** -- Hokie5150 06/27/2016 5:58PM

I see many reasons not to like Clinton, but what does she has to do with -- JohnHoo2 06/28/2016 07:57AM

Why does your cat's breath smell like cat food? ** -- WahooRQ 06/28/2016 08:05AM

That is really a clueless post. I mean, you're really lost ** -- 111Balz 06/27/2016 8:55PM

Is that your highest value? -- DanTheFan 06/27/2016 6:58PM

Yes...what value should be higher? -- Hokie5150 06/27/2016 8:01PM

Start with the Declaration of Independence -- DanTheFan 06/28/2016 08:50AM

Without liberty, I'd say life cannot be fully lived. ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 11:03AM

Justice, tranquility, corporate protection, welfare, liberty ** -- NJHoo 06/27/2016 8:13PM

You think tranquility and welfare should be higher than liberty? -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 07:11AM

Honestly, I think most people will place tranquility and welfare before -- JohnHoo2 06/28/2016 09:07AM

That is a scary (and sad, IMHO) thought...it is likely true, though. ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 12:02PM

I just lifted those elements from the preamble to the Constitution -- NJHoo 06/28/2016 08:33AM

Without liberty, can the others truly exist? ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 06:40AM

Why the f would anyone with a brain think Hillary -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 08:13AM

Depends how far she takes us down the Euro/Cali progressive path ** -- Tuckahokie 06/28/2016 08:54AM

"the euro/cali progressive path?" LOL!!! ** -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 10:20AM

Well, let's see. HRC supports the Patriot Act, she supports restricting -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 08:43AM

I don't like Hillary, but I think you're getting pretty far out there -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 10:37AM

You actually attempted to answer a question? Wow -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 10:19AM

LOL! I always attempt to engage in discussion whenever possible and -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 10:29AM

Did you ever answer Shen's question belowyou know the -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 10:40AM

Please. I've addressed all that I've seen to the best of my ability and/or -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 10:54AM

Link -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 1:56PM

Please see reason 3 above ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 2:05PM

Well I guess a man needs to know his limitations ** -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 1:37PM

She is a direct threat to your freedom to pay women less than men and, if -- WahooRQ 06/28/2016 08:26AM

Pay women less than men? Give me a break. ** -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 09:16AM

LOL! You believe the myth of women earning 75 cents on the dollar compared -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 08:50AM

I don't think that FACT is even disputable. You may argue about the REASON -- WahooRQ 06/28/2016 11:16AM

Right, but something like 60% of the wage gap is due to -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 11:38AM

Sure...if one simply takes all women and what they make vs all -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 11:28AM

The fact that people consider having children a "lifestyle choice" is part -- WahooRQ 06/28/2016 12:57PM

How is deciding to have children not a lifestyle choice? ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 2:33PM

What do you mean? I think it's great for people to start -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 1:13PM

You should repeat that to every woman you know ** -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 10:17AM

I would gladly do it. I've had the discussion with my wife -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 10:49AM

My wife and I discuss it routinely as she's a corporate HR/Payroll director** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 11:16AM

I do. Most of the women I know are smart enough to know the vast -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 10:39AM

If most women you know believe that, they are not -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 10:42AM

SMH. ** -- Hoodafan 06/28/2016 11:46AM

Quite the contrary…. -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 11:21AM

So in order, you're the one focusing on a number or %, not me; -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 1:44PM

If you can't accept #1, it's not worth even discussing with you -- BocaHoo91 06/28/2016 2:12PM

Let's drop it. maybe women are just whiners ** -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 8:34PM

LOL. I'll take that as agreement that women DO -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2016 12:19AM

I was just trying to avoid arguing with you, that's all. The "gap" -- 111Balz 06/29/2016 10:15AM

Or perhaps they are smarter than you... ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 11:05AM

Wait...it's legal to pay women less than men...who knew? ** -- Moneyshot 06/28/2016 08:43AM

Apparently, because the Clinton campaign has a wage gap issue... -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 09:05AM

Wrong ** -- Mr Wahoo 06/27/2016 5:33PM

True, but who is more depressing depends on who you ask :) ** -- JohnHoo2 06/27/2016 5:16PM

It shouldn't be, based on policy and temperament. Hill is far and away a -- Seattle .Hoo 06/27/2016 5:27PM

They both suck -- hoothat 06/27/2016 5:45PM

Maybe. I do disagree on a point though. I actually think that Hillary would -- Seattle .Hoo 06/27/2016 5:54PM

It's just not a fair comparison between her and Trump -- Fuzzy Dunlop 06/28/2016 10:30AM

The fact that you can't see that they are both horrible -- hoothat 06/27/2016 8:35PM

Right on target. ** -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 12:05PM

Ah, one of the "independent" voters. You're so enlightened. ;) ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/28/2016 02:15AM

Lol -- hoothat 06/28/2016 10:53AM

Yep. It doesn't take enlightenment...just a heartbeat and brainwave -- Hokie5150 06/28/2016 12:06PM

Mugwump is the word -- NJHoo 06/28/2016 08:28AM

Wrong ** -- Mr Wahoo 06/27/2016 5:34PM

In any 'normal' election, or in fact at any time prior to, say, the last... -- EAPo 06/27/2016 3:40PM

Terrifying still works in this case ** -- MaizeAndBlueWahoo 06/27/2016 3:23PM

I don't really consider either one to be truly terrifing. -- JohnHoo2 06/27/2016 3:30PM

Except there is no reason to think Clinton -- 111Balz 06/27/2016 3:56PM

Maybe not, but I also don't see her able to push through any agenda through -- JohnHoo2 06/27/2016 5:16PM

It's a real risk, I agree. I am hoping the difference is that -- 111Balz 06/28/2016 1:53PM

There are three things you can be sure of with Clinton -- Faz d. Hoo 06/27/2016 4:16PM

Other than most of her BOW since 1993, of course. -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 4:30PM

Lol -- hoothat 06/27/2016 11:41PM

I actually approve of the way she handled Hillarycare -- AlexHoo 06/27/2016 5:19PM

Honestly, I am unfamiliar with her legislative accomplishments in the -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 4:58PM

What do you mean by "legislative accomplishments"? Statutes with her name -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 5:09PM

You're so deeply involved w/ sources that you post non stop on Soapbox ** -- Mr Wahoo 06/27/2016 5:37PM

That is Soapbox Gold! POTY ** -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 5:53PM

You do understand most law firms have government relations divisions -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 6:07PM

I DO UNDERSTAND that lawyers bill hourly gross amounts of $$$ - -- Mr Wahoo 06/27/2016 7:53PM

What's a law firm? Govt Relations? I feel smarter already ** -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 6:21PM

Well I do envision you as the guy who takes slip and falls out of a strip -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 6:47PM

I'm sure she's a smart woman. But I need a little more than -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 6:54PM

I'd be fine making John Edwards money too, LOL. -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 7:42PM

Thanks for taking the time to respond. ** -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 7:53PM

Y/W. If I may ask.... -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 8:21PM

I wont vote for HRC. I'm no Trump fan either. Like the Brexit voters who -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 8:32PM

Who were you pulling for in the primaries? You don't really seem like a -- VAGentleman05 06/27/2016 10:19PM

There were several I liked and none of them had a shot. -- TpkeHoo 06/28/2016 06:18AM

Thanks, TPKE. This actually turned into an interesting discussion for once -- WahooRQ 06/28/2016 08:21AM

I do waste a lot of time with useless idiots like yourself. -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 5:44PM

Or get a job jerk ** -- Mr Wahoo 06/27/2016 7:54PM

Still mad about Princess Leia choking you out and crashing your barge? ** -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 8:00PM

Wow - you really got me there man - ** -- Mr Wahoo 06/27/2016 9:11PM

Only significant vote was for the War, other than that a bench warmer ** -- AlexHoo 06/27/2016 5:20PM

That's how we describe kids who didn't stand out on the field. They -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 6:24PM

I asked if she proposed any meaningful legislation. Thanks for -- TpkeHoo 06/27/2016 5:17PM

Sniff Sniff… the poor dear angel.** -- LAHOOters 06/27/2016 4:37PM

I get that right wingers hate her guts. Not my question. ** -- WahooRQ 06/27/2016 4:41PM

Lol, not only right wingers ** -- hoothat 06/28/2016 01:17AM

Yep...that damned vast, right-wing conspiracy is out to get her. ** -- Hokie5150 06/27/2016 4:53PM

Laughed my arse off when she said recently that we can't have a President -- LAHOOters 06/27/2016 5:17PM

Time to update 5150. It's the HeManWomanHaters club now. ** -- Hoodafan 06/27/2016 5:16PM