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Of course. And obviously laws should be enforced.

I haven't read the Colorado decision but I do know a little about the history and context of this part of the 14th Amendment and I don't see how a court acting without partisan bias could conclude that it constitutionally bars Trump from office.

My hope is that SCOTUS strikes this down 9-0. If it splits along political lines, which obviously is far more likely, then nothing much is gained. Should Trump somehow manage to win then Democrats and anti-Trumpers will have another argument to use to deny the legitimacy of the election, as they will say that he was ineligible and only a politically corrupt Supreme Court permitted him to run.

We need to step back a little from the cliff, imho.

(In response to this post by Seattle .Hoo)

Posted: 12/22/2023 at 8:54PM

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