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Some of the reasons why a 6-week cut-off for abortions is awful:

1. Many women don't even know they're pregnant at 6 weeks.

2. Even if the woman realizes she's pregnant at say 5 weeks, that's not enough time to make a decision on whether or not to keep the baby and get an appointment and have the abortion (if she can even get off work, get transportation to the clinic, etc.) - so the 6-week cutoff ends up effectively banning a massive amount of abortions.

3. A woman could have a miscarriage but her doctor wouldn't be able to perform a D&C.

4. A pregnant minor (who by definition has been raped since below the age of consent), including elementary-aged rape & incest victims, wouldn't be able to get an abortion after 6 weeks, and the odds of someone that young knowing they're pregnant and being able to report it and get help within 6 weeks are so small that it would likely mean in most cases a young rape victim would not be able to get an abortion.

All of those and more are valid reasons to oppose a 6-week cut-off for abortion. Just because the last example is especially atrocious doesn't make it any less valid of a reason to oppose a 6-week abortion ban.

Of course people telling this story are arguing for something longer than 6 weeks, because the story is a good example of how ridiculous that short of a cut-off is.

That alone is enough. But *on top of that*, the specific Ohio law is even worse, because in addition to harming all women with such a short window, it hurts victims of crimes *even more* by not allowing for exceptions for them. So this particular example of a 10 or 11 year old rape victim covers both (a) one reason among many why 6 weeks itself is bad, AND (b) why Ohio's law is even worse by not granting exceptions for rape and incest.

(In response to this post by Hoodafan)

Posted: 07/12/2022 at 9:24PM

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Hmmm, about that 10 yr old rape victim that was being forced to give birth -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 3:49PM

How does that taste? Man arrested today for a rate of 10 year old girl who -- 111Balz 07/13/2022 12:52PM

Will you accept this story of an 11-year old Ohio rape victim that -- 00 Hoo 07/12/2022 5:54PM

Huh? No one ever claimed a 10 or 11 yr old rape victim doesn't tragically -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 6:40PM

I honestly don't understand the argument you are trying to make. -- 00 Hoo 07/12/2022 7:32PM

So you're ok with the 6 weeks as long as there is a longer undetermined, -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 8:56PM

Some of the reasons why a 6-week cut-off for abortions is awful: -- 00 Hoo 07/12/2022 9:24PM

Not sure which part of "I'm not ok with 6 weeks" wasn't clear. And I don't -- Hoodafan 07/13/2022 08:17AM

You expect an 11 year old to understand she's pregnant by 6 weeks? -- CMUHoo 07/12/2022 6:52PM

Also, no one else may know about the rape (or incest) to report it to -- Hoo TV 07/12/2022 7:04PM

I expect they know they've been raped. Whether 11, 22 or 33. I am against -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 7:00PM

I don't disagree with your premise, but I would make exceptions much later -- CMUHoo 07/12/2022 7:10PM

That's fair. And I can respect needing more time in the case of rape to -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 8:37PM

They don't care. All they care about is that if this particular case is -- Hoo TV 07/12/2022 6:16PM

Well, it could have happened like that. Page 20A. ** -- Wahoo Gus 07/12/2022 4:55PM

Oh wow, they really lap up any Fake News provided to them (Link) -- ryno hoo 07/12/2022 4:54PM

And that egg on their face is more expensive thanks to Bidenflation. When -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:58PM

I’m not sure why, but I googled this, and of course the New York Post and t -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:40PM

Never give up Balzie! Never give up! -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:49PM

...says the guy with a 100 posts just the last three hours but -- Shenhoo 07/12/2022 5:49PM

Stay fool ** -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 5:26PM

You realize she offered no facts or evidence to refute it, only a series of -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:18PM

There was plenty of evidence offered... -- Folly Beach Hokie 07/12/2022 5:55PM

This posted didn’t age well either. And there was no evidence provided ** -- 111Balz 07/13/2022 2:16PM

Actually it aged fine as I differentiated between -- Folly Beach Hokie 07/13/2022 2:26PM

LOL. "This was CLEARLY a FAKE STORY." ** -- Blah 07/13/2022 9:16PM

What I pointed out to balz was -- Folly Beach Hokie 07/14/2022 09:11AM

It was only a clearly faked story to some of us, I suppose. -- Shenhoo 07/13/2022 1:56PM

I'm more disappointed it happened, what about you? -- Folly Beach Hokie 07/13/2022 2:27PM

I'm glad to hear that. I'm not sure how you jumped to clearly faked though ** -- Shenhoo 07/13/2022 2:54PM

Based on Ohio AG statement. -- Folly Beach Hokie 07/13/2022 2:56PM

You might be confusing "asking questions" with "evidence." I'm not saying -- southdenverhoo 07/12/2022 6:40PM

You might be confusing the Ohio AG's "statement" as a "question" :)** -- Folly Beach Hokie 07/12/2022 6:55PM

You mean only an idiot would treadmill other posters with it?!?!? ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 6:17PM

Ummm, the Attorney General addresses that for you below. Not a whisper. -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:24PM

This is identical to the uva Rolling Stone story. You are not showing -- ryno hoo 07/12/2022 4:44PM

If you can't prove something, that only makes it more likely. ** -- HoodatB 07/12/2022 5:00PM

Something happened to that made up 10 yr old rape victim! ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:47PM

I want to believe so bad, Ryno - it's definitely reel. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:47PM

I know it’s what you desperately want to believe, and it may turn out to be -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:27PM

The story has neither been proved nor disproved at this point. ** -- NJHoo 07/12/2022 5:06PM

Exactly.Once again some of these clowns are guilty of premature exhalation ** -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 5:30PM

The real point is how the overturn affects the innocent ** -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:41PM

The fact that it's a realistic scenario should be abhorrent enough ** -- Hoo TV 07/12/2022 4:30PM

Exactly - fake but true is good enough for me!!! ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:38PM

Umm, he's not not giving details about the case Balzie, he's saying it's -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:29PM

Stop responding. Is it not obvious enough it's a Hooda, LA Hoo ... -- Blah 07/12/2022 4:21PM

LOL! A simple "I was wrong to spread and use the lie" would've sufficed. ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:26PM

Buh how would that treadmill JM?!?!? ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:40PM

As usual you don’t know the difference between truth and lies ** -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:28PM

LOL! That's a good one, Jackie! I'm in stitches over here! ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:30PM

You’re acting like you should be in an institution ** -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:41PM

Not in Seattle. Come back in mid August. CIVIC PRIDE MONTH!!!!!!!!!!! ** -- Wahoo Gus 07/12/2022 5:02PM

It's always projection with you lefties......... ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:45PM

Nah that doesn’t apply here ** -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 5:27PM

And look at the usual idiots below clapping their feet and throwing -- 111Balz 07/12/2022 4:19PM

This story was so obviously fake it wasn't... -- Los Angeles Hoo 07/12/2022 4:00PM

I doubt anyone would try to treadmill Blah repeatedly becuz it was fake... ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:08PM

And don't dare suggest he argued the rape exception should go beyond any -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:15PM

FACTS. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:16PM

It's OK to point out this claim was complete BS as long as you also -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:17PM

Directionally true? (pic) Did people on this board believe this story? -- ryno hoo 07/12/2022 3:57PM

It's like that Dan Rather GWB thing - fake but true. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:01PM

I’m still waiting for Rolling Stone’s exposé. ** -- Mad Bowl Hoo 07/12/2022 4:18PM

"We prefer truth over facts!" - President (say YOUR name) ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:03PM

Was that about all the Trump accusers? Or Christine Blasey-Ford? ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 3:59PM

It could be all the Fake News stories, but it's the one you posted on. -- ryno hoo 07/12/2022 4:03PM

It's only a lie if you don't believe it. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:09PM

It's not a lie if you believe it. ** -- HoodatB 07/12/2022 4:13PM

Stop responding! It's a LA HOO, Hooda, Ryno, and Resist thread orgy. -- Blah 07/12/2022 4:18PM

More like a circle jerk. ** -- Faz d. Hoo 07/13/2022 11:21PM

LOL ** -- ryno hoo 07/12/2022 4:36PM

LOL! A simple "I was wrong to spread and use the lie" would've sufficed. -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:27PM

^^^^ Believes in the 10 year old rape victim forced to give birth ^^^^ -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:15PM

I know nothing about this story -- HoodatB 07/12/2022 4:33PM

Stick to refencing. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:37PM

To be run on p. 20, stat! ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:04PM

Unpossible - it was treadmilled all over the board. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 3:52PM

Meanwhile Sen. Durbin (D-Hypocrite) -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 3:57PM

Also unpossible - Dick Turban is a loyal Democratic. ** -- ResistHoo 07/12/2022 4:00PM

Pic -- ryno hoo 07/12/2022 3:58PM

When do Dems start calling for his impeachment like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh? ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 4:01PM

Don't you have any heart?! ** -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 3:53PM

"Not a whisper" -- Hoodafan 07/12/2022 3:50PM