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I would like to share two facts from a course on the history of immigration -- North Cavolina 09/06/2017 7:41PM Ah, Nicholas Cage has the answer (in National Treasure) -- WahooMatt05 09/06/2017 12:11PM By the same token, though, is a wife who leaves an abusive husband a -- Hokie5150 09/06/2017 12:39PM So we should execute leaders of the current California secession movement? ** -- HokieDan95 09/06/2017 12:36PM If they take up arms in open rebellion, they are traitors. -- WahooMatt05 09/06/2017 12:55PM George Washington, Simon Bolivar, Jose Martin -- ConnHoo 09/06/2017 1:36PM Yes George led an armed revolution by a colony against a foreign -- 111Balz 09/06/2017 4:50PM Free a nation makes no sense. The british hadn't seized the USA. -- KCHoo 09/06/2017 5:28PM Your 2nd paragraph is of clourse true but not sure how it is relevant -- 111Balz 09/06/2017 9:13PM So did Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Francisco Franco, Ayatolla Khomeni, etc. -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 1:40PM If they win, they get a new country. -- Shenhoo 09/06/2017 1:09PM The guy omits the Federalist's opposite opinion that sovereignty was now -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 11:48AM I don't understand the author's conclusion -- WahooMatt05 09/06/2017 08:43AM Exactly. The American revolution most definitely was considered treason by -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 11:51AM Yes...and we should secede again, AND build a wall AND limit the number of -- Tuckahokie 09/06/2017 08:04AM Only secession is going to be Coastal California. North America will have -- JMHoo 09/06/2017 10:11AM Except there are only 4 economies larger than California -- KaHOOnah 09/06/2017 11:56AM Just kidding. It will never happen. Abe Lincoln set the precedent. ** -- JMHoo 09/06/2017 12:40PM Yeah. Chile with about 10x the GDP. Then add OR and WA. :) ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 11:38AM If the Deep South wants to give it another go, have at it. -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 09:33AM Douche-a-stan can keep everything north of the Dumfries/Manassas exit (aka -- Tuckahokie 09/06/2017 1:31PM Just an FYI, but you'd be Alabama without us. -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 1:34PM I think that is not quite right ... -- VaTechie 09/06/2017 3:33PM Half the state's revenue and most of its job growth come from NOVA. -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 4:29PM If Uncle Sam stop pumping money into Virginia -- VaTechie 09/06/2017 4:32PM A lot of private companies whose biggest client is Uncle Sam -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 4:40PM RQ may be thinking that Douche-a-stan would take the military assets like -- Tuckahokie 09/06/2017 3:36PM Here is your beach....have fun (link) -- Tuckahokie 09/06/2017 1:42PM LOL, the beaches in Delaware and Jersey are a helluva lot nicer than -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 1:46PM There are many establishments in what you call Dumbfuckistan serving -- southdenverhoo 09/06/2017 09:40AM Ordering up the Manifesto book now. -- hoodeyo 09/06/2017 6:54PM Awesome! ** -- Shenhoo 09/06/2017 09:53AM Plus, we could get the SEC out of the College Football Playoffs. ** -- JMHoo 09/06/2017 09:36AM Del boca vista phase 2 ** -- HokieDan95 09/06/2017 09:22AM ...and then there is The University of Richmond...just ruined!!! ** -- Tuckahokie 09/06/2017 09:24AM #Deplorablestan! ** -- Hoodafan 09/06/2017 08:28AM There are no clauses in the constitiion for or against it -- GoochlandHoo 09/06/2017 05:43AM No. -- DanTheFan 09/05/2017 9:52PM Lincoln's Constitution by Daniel Farber is a pretty good and accessible -- WahooRQ 09/05/2017 10:44PM Wasn't the majority of the SC at the time sympathetic -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/05/2017 11:26PM They also believed that black people could not be citizens. -- Hoepner 09/06/2017 08:35AM Like asking the missus if one can be boss. ** -- Shenhoo 09/06/2017 12:06PM Sure ... ideally the Supreme Court would've decided ... but the South's -- CharlestonSC 09/05/2017 11:18PM The issue was IMO a legitimate and undecided question until the war. -- southdenverhoo 09/05/2017 9:35PM Precisely. The rest is philosophical BS. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 01:20AM I think so but shouldn't have attacked Fort Sumter. ** -- KCHoo 09/05/2017 9:31PM Secessionism to protect or procure a good should be a right -- VisorBoy Hokie 09/05/2017 9:31PM Yes slavery was evil but that's not why the union went to war ** -- HokieDan95 09/05/2017 9:40PM Union went to war to preserve republican form of government. -- DanTheFan 09/05/2017 9:59PM And to preserve a primary source of federal revenues. ** -- KCHoo 09/05/2017 10:13PM ^^^ This. Lincoln wasn't going to let 3/5ths of the US economy walk away. ** -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/05/2017 10:38PM Not even close to that. 3/5ths was the amount of human being -- WahooRQ 09/05/2017 10:46PM Do you know the reason for 3/5? There was a context to it, not -- Mad Bowl Hoo 09/06/2017 06:23AM 3/4 of the worlds cotton came from the south, something -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/05/2017 11:23PM Cotton? Big fucking deal. The US was superior in almost every other -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 01:29AM No offense but that wasn't true as of 1861. Tariff policy -- southdenverhoo 09/06/2017 09:57AM That smacks of lost cause mythology -- the North's economic and -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 10:09AM What you just wrote is Lost Cause of South dogma. Like, whoa ** -- KaHOOnah 09/06/2017 11:04AM LOL, well it really was a lost cause - but to be clear it WAS about slavery -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 11:15AM I think it is best explained via Marxist analysis. Capital vs labor, -- southdenverhoo 09/07/2017 08:34AM Marxist analysis really is a valuable lens that can help certain things pop -- hoodeyo 09/09/2017 12:01AM Self imposed trade restrictions with England wrt cotton and then the -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/06/2017 10:47AM Right, the King Cotton argument and as you point out, it was nonsense. The -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 10:54AM It is simple fact. Calling it lost cause mythology is suggesting he -- KCHoo 09/06/2017 10:19AM More the claim that the majority of the US economy was cotton-based in 1860 -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 10:59AM That piece doesn't discuss what percentage of the US economy was cotton -- KCHoo 09/06/2017 1:06PM It was over half of US exports in 1860, but not over half the economy. -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 1:32PM The fact is the entire country was built on slavery, as much as Northerners -- southdenverhoo 09/06/2017 10:32AM It's honestly amazing we can get away with calling ourselves a righteous -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 11:21AM The North couldn't compete efficiently with Britain in manufacturing -- KCHoo 09/06/2017 09:44AM The amount of labor it took to remove cotton lint from the hull -- HokieDan95 09/06/2017 07:18AM That's like saying oil isn't a big deal to Saudi Arabia. ** -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/06/2017 06:53AM It actually was a big deal. The "modern" industry of the north was powered -- GoochlandHoo 09/06/2017 06:27AM Then why did they place huge Tarrifs on exported cotton... -- hoothat 09/06/2017 03:00AM Cotton was the oil of the day ** -- HokieDan95 09/05/2017 11:36PM All I can say is that if 3/5 of the US economy had been the South, they would -- WahooRQ 09/05/2017 11:36PM OK...did some research. 3/5 of all US exports where from the South in 1860 ** -- GoochlandHoo 09/06/2017 11:39AM Not sure where that 3/5 comes from, but potentially it has to do with.. -- GoochlandHoo 09/06/2017 06:13AM The 3/5 probably includes the asset value of all the slaves as a major -- hoodeyo 09/06/2017 01:41AM And, of course, they were people, not assets. Why the war was fought.** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/06/2017 02:17AM Not until 1863. ** -- hoothat 09/06/2017 03:02AM Not for the south. -- DanTheFan 09/06/2017 09:07AM Even in Virginia? ** -- hoothat 09/06/2017 2:09PM True....the Union would have settled for some type of peace that .. -- GoochlandHoo 09/06/2017 06:41AM How many slaves were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation? -- Zamboni 09/06/2017 06:36AM Every slave freed in the Confederate states from January 1st 1863 -- Hoepner 09/06/2017 08:09AM The bombs on Japan did not end the war. The Japanese surrender did. ** -- Shenhoo 09/06/2017 08:47AM It was probably a higher % of federal revenue. -- KCHoo 09/05/2017 11:00PM The first income tax was instituted in 1862 to pay for the war ** -- KaHOOnah 09/06/2017 04:28AM Slavery is evil, not just was. Why did the South secede? ** -- VisorBoy Hokie 09/05/2017 9:44PM I will let the South Carolinians explain it in their own words. -- Shenhoo 09/06/2017 07:34AM That's not why Virginia seceded. ** -- 221 Dabney 09/06/2017 10:49PM Virginia left because of the "oppression of Southern slaveholding States." -- Shenhoo 09/07/2017 08:51AM You should read "Apostles of Disunion" by Charles Dew -- Hoepner 09/06/2017 08:32AM The chattel slavery of the American South, and much of New World, was -- KaHOOnah 09/06/2017 05:16AM As i understand it the Spanish colonial slavery was even worse -- HokieDan95 09/06/2017 07:03AM Yeah, I agree. And what really shocks me when I stop to think -- BocaHoo91 09/06/2017 06:19AM The Germans and Japanese were doing same or worse just 80 years ago. ** -- KCHoo 09/06/2017 10:31AM Yeah, I know, and I have a hard time getting my head -- BocaHoo91 09/06/2017 11:36AM It exists today. Far too widespread. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/06/2017 09:57AM It shouldn't shock you. Humans are capable of terrible atrocities -- Hooddihsm 09/06/2017 07:36AM No shit. Its evil in the sex trafficking, the west Africa cocoa plantations -- HokieDan95 09/05/2017 9:51PM It is why the south seceded though, so they were morally wrong -- KCHoo 09/05/2017 9:43PM It's why the deep south seceded. Virginia seceded later, for other reasons -- KaHOOnah 09/06/2017 04:31AM Yeah, how each state toppled one way or another is really interesting.. -- GoochlandHoo 09/06/2017 05:49AM Nonsense ** -- Hfbyrd 09/05/2017 9:42PM Lincoln was more concerned about keeping the union together -- HokieDan95 09/05/2017 9:53PM He also wanted freed slaves to relocate to Liberia. -- Zamboni 09/06/2017 06:41AM Far more complicated than that - link -- 111Balz 09/06/2017 08:08AM I wouldn't even try to argue with him -- Hoepner 09/06/2017 08:19AM I actually think the entire point of this thread is that the Confederates.. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/06/2017 09:40AM The thread as a whole is fine. Zamboni however does not contribute to it. ** -- Hoepner 09/06/2017 12:37PM He's better at talking beer and BBQ over on the Corner -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 2:45PM I was thinking about that a few weeks ago. -- KaHOOnah 09/06/2017 10:56AM People often forget Lincoln was a politician (and a right skilled one). -- WahooRQ 09/06/2017 11:27AM