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The deficit is not way up, and no one remotely credible will tell you that

Unemployment isn't down dramatically from where it was in 2009. The financial system and auto industries did not collapse, as they would have if poor "fiscal hawk" decisions had been made. You seem to be the one cherry picking numbers.

Perfect? Hardly. Foreign policy is not in a good place and we do have issues to work through.

Oh, and Trump got elected because a large chunk of the country is some combination of racist/dumber than dogshit/hates Hillary so much they were willing to vote for a complete buffoon and the Dems ran a miserable candidate against him who ran a campaign with the populist touch of Marie Antoinette, but still got 3 million more votes than he did. By all objective measures Obama would have gotten a third term easily. Kinda kills your argument, which again is the right wing narratve wholesale. Obama didnt give us Trump -- Republican voters did. Even if you buy the whole "white working class" and trade narrative those trends go all the way back to the 80's and Obama saved fhe fucking auto industry! Not his fault that Hillary was too arrogant to go campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan and failed to mention that success while she was chasing red states like AZ and NC that she didnt need.

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