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JMHoo

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The Excessive Fines Clause traces its venerable


lineage back to at least 1215, when Magna Carta guaranteed that“[a] Free-man shall not be amerced for a small fault, but after the manner of the fault; and for a great fault after the greatness thereof, saving to him his contenement . . . .”§20, 9 Hen. III, ch. 14, in 1 Eng. Stat. at Large 5 (1225).2As relevant here, Magna Carta required that economic sanctions “be proportioned to the wrong” and “not be so large as to deprive [an offender] of his livelihood.” Browning Ferris, 492 U. S., at 271. See also 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 372 (1769) (“[N]oman shall have a larger amercement imposed upon him, than his circumstances or personal estate will bear . . . .”).But cf. Bajakajian, 524 U. S., at 340, n. 15 (taking no position on the question whether a person’s income and wealth are relevant considerations in judging the excessiveness of a fine).

Despite Magna Carta, imposition of excessive fines persisted. The 17th century Stuart kings, in particular, were criticized for using large fines to raise revenue, harass their political foes, and indefinitely detain those unable to pay….

For good reason, the protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history: Exorbitant tolls undermine other constitutional liberties. Excessive fines can be used, for example, to retaliate against or chill the speech of political enemies, as the Stuarts’ critics learned several centuries ago.

—Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing in Timbs vs. Indiana
[Post edited by JMHoo at 02/22/2024 1:53PM]

Posted: 02/22/2024 at 1:51PM



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The Excessive Fines Clause traces its venerable -- JMHoo 02/22/2024 1:51PM
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