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GoochlandHoo

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Although I don't have any issue with the numbers above..


Obama did do a job better than both Bush and Trump (and he was under fire from the left for doing so) for rounding up and removing, ....what the article fails to speak to for both Trump or Obama or Biden is how many "unauthorized" got in during their watch. And I'm not talking about asylum seekers, that's an entirely different issue, but "unauthorized" illegals. If Obama let 15M in and removed 3.2M that leaves us up by 12M. Trump could have only let in 10M...or maybe it was 20M and in one case, the net add would have been only 8M...making him much better...and in another it could have been 18M making it much worse.

So yes, the article is correct in stating Trump did a worse job than Obama of "immigration enforcing in the center of the country", which is clearly something we can measure (which is great)... but, the article fails to address the border. Now...the article below from NYT has a graph....and it actually confirms that Obama did do a better job than Trump overall, both in prevention and what we know from the text you copied...deportations. He certainly benefitted in his early years by the recession post the financial meltdown which essentially stopped most home building (a major draw for workers), but even as the US economy picked up...Obama kept things on a good track. Now...Dems can try to explain all these details to voters...but good luck with that....voters are not highly analytical (no duhhh).

However, Obama isn't on the Ticket this year, its Biden, and this eye chart is all anyone who believes our borders are a major issue, needs to see. If I'm anyone running against Biden...I show this at every opportunity I get....along with video of our inability to handle it. And this picture only tracks "encounters'....what we don't know is for every year, what is the estimate of those coming across the border who are "unencountered". Pew estimates that 27% of immigrants in the US are "unauthorized"...now their numbers seem to be a cummulative, so hard to tell how many are inbound each year.

Pew research also says that deterance can only work so much...people leaving desperate situations will do anything they can (who wouldn't). So, still leave us in a situation where broader policy needs to be addressed....like lifting the sanctions on Venezuala (I believe I read in some article 1/3 of current borer encounters are from Venezuala. Well...again...no duhhh, maybe our policies there are counterproductive to the border issue. I always point back to the situation during WWII, where we enacted specific laws to increase workers. but our dipshits in DC have yet to do anything like that.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

(In response to this post by Shenhoo)

Link: NY Times - Not a Pretty Picture


Posted: 02/15/2024 at 06:27AM



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