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These words were written but never spoken 60 years ago today. "We in this -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 09:24AM Leftist on leftist violence. ** -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 10:22AM In retrospect I’m not real sure how much we’d celebrate those words -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 09:32AM Yes. Many more deaths of U.S. soldiers in wars by dem presidents. ** -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 10:26AM No way, man. Lincoln has every Dem combined beaten! And he did it by -- WahooRQ 11/22/2023 1:38PM Sweet Jesus, but this is a stupid "discussion". -- Chuck Taylor 11/22/2023 12:57PM This is, of course, true. Including even Iraq. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/22/2023 1:14PM I can come up with many more moronic score cards. ** -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 1:04PM You really are especially funny today, ryno. whatever meds they've got you -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 6:14PM And you have. ** -- SixerHoo 11/22/2023 1:37PM Sure and more wars won: World War I, World War II. Great point. ** -- Lazarus 11/22/2023 11:49AM Lincoln was a Republican ** -- 81_Hokie 11/22/2023 10:57AM Here is the rough tally starting with the Civil War (with the -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:05AM Including csa deaths pushes gop to around 700k -- HokieJamie 11/22/2023 12:18PM Sure...but Lincoln was not their Commander-in-Chief during the War...so it -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 12:41PM They should have hung Jeff Davis from a sour apple tree. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/22/2023 12:43PM Buh…. heritage, not hate ** -- TomGlansAski 11/22/2023 1:28PM I'm glad that Constitution barred Davis from running for office. -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 1:16PM We appear to have forgotten the lessons of history. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/22/2023 1:17PM That assumption is doing a lot of work there, no? -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 11:19AM There you go. Much more likely to die as a soldier with Dem president. -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 11:44AM Tuck can always find a ridiculous assumption ** -- 81_Hokie 11/22/2023 11:39AM The numbers are the numbers... ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:43AM No foreign country recognized the CSA. They were American on both sides. ** -- 81_Hokie 11/22/2023 11:46AM See below...I said the numbers are roughly even if all Civil War deaths -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:49AM Why only military deaths? If we call that even then we can say that R -- 81_Hokie 11/22/2023 11:59AM Dems still hold the pandemic death toll lead, Wilson & Biden -- Lupos 11/22/2023 12:38PM Huh. I thought that was a hoax? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/22/2023 12:42PM ...and they freed more Americans ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 12:06PM Too bad the GOPers are now looking to put people back in chains. :) ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/22/2023 12:21PM Yes, at least Tuck was honest enough to point that out, but he was -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:27AM As Dan points out below, there were 200 American deaths under Kennedy. -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 11:43AM SDH, Vietnam was a fully bipartisan blunder, involving far more than just -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:56AM Upon reconsideration-see my post below to Tuck which begins "There you go," -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 12:14PM I'm just reporting the data as I read it from Govt. stats...you guys can -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:34AM Everything you guys are saying in this thread lacks the requisite nuance -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:37AM Depending on how you tally Lincoln the numbers are roughly the -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:42AM It’s being pointless. And in case you haven’t noticed you’re coming -- SixerHoo 11/22/2023 11:50AM ...and the thread started out so promising :>) ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:53AM Never underestimate the ability of the Soapbox to devolve -- SixerHoo 11/22/2023 11:58AM Until some folks followed an absurd parody poster over a cliff. ** -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:57AM Paul Ryan pushed me ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 12:03PM Because partisanship does not determine war deaths. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:49AM Never has a more egregious conflation of cause and correlation -- SixerHoo 11/22/2023 11:19AM I am pretty sure people born in the CSA were American citizens -- WahooMatt05 11/22/2023 11:14AM Post Civil Rights Act the Dems have lead by about 10K...Vietnam's -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:26AM All of Vietnam is attributable to dems. ** -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 11:34AM Not the part after fall of 1968. Probably about a quarter to a third of -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 11:47AM 36K mainly LBJ...21K Nixon ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:55AM There you go. I think as we talk I'm shifting to hsth's position, that this -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 12:11PM Vietnam was very much a bi-partisan eff up… ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 12:20PM No. Dem president started. I get to decide my premise. ** -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 11:52AM I didn't know Eisenhower was a Democrat. I mean, I knew he'd be one if he -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 12:16PM Eisenhower: "You have a row of dominoes set up... -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 1:30PM When it comes to "who started it?" it's hard to get past Eisenhower as the -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 3:38PM And we get to decide how idiotic it is. YASAFT ** -- 81_Hokie 11/22/2023 11:55AM Yes. If you’re borrowing ryno’s fantasy partisan glasses, it’s just that -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:28AM If you count CSA deaths as Americans then the numbers are -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 11:18AM This is what lack of critical thinking produces ** -- HokieJamie 11/22/2023 10:40AM It's an objective fact that needs no thinking. -- ryno hoo 11/22/2023 10:47AM So when attacked we should roll over and surrsnder ** -- HokieJamie 11/22/2023 12:19PM Yes. FDR and WWII. -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 10:38AM JFK would not have sent combat troops like LBJ. -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 10:09AM I just mean to say - those words, if delivered, would be viewed today with -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 10:19AM Sure. The debate over Ukraine aid as a case in point. ** -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 10:31AM I’m saying they’d be viewed against the backdrop of Vietnam, not Ukraine. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:44AM There was a real and credible (at the time) fear of the spread of -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 09:39AM You should invest the time to watch this. It’s chilling. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 10:13AM The nightly tally of KIA on the evening news, the increasing number of -- Chuck Taylor 11/22/2023 1:05PM Don't downplay the political dimension. Goldwater looming as GOP candidate. -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 10:43AM I don’t agree with that. I think his point is that presidents sent kids to -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 10:49AM Under Kennedy, fewer than 200 U.S. deaths in Vietnam. ** -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 11:23AM If not for his role in getting us there (Eisenhower’s too), around 60k -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 11:33AM Sure. It is good to have an intelligent discussion on this board. -- DanTheFan 11/22/2023 12:36PM Thank you for the recommendation! ** -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 12:38PM Yeah. I agree with this take. I mean the -- BocaHoo91 11/22/2023 09:51AM I don’t disagree that the public generally believed it. But Ken Burns -- hoolstoptheheels 11/22/2023 10:17AM My very earliest world event memory is that of the Cuban Missile Crisis. -- Shenhoo 11/22/2023 10:01AM Cuban missile crisis is also my first. I remember being curious about -- SixerHoo 11/22/2023 11:27AM Alan Shepard flight for me. But boy did I take note of the Cuban Missile -- southdenverhoo 11/22/2023 11:26AM Curious---do you remember the day? Guessing you were a wee -- Shenhoo 11/22/2023 09:28AM A tad too young (2-ish)..I do remember RFK and MLK very well ** -- Tuckahokie 11/22/2023 09:34AM It was the day my family moved into the home we kept -- Lazarus 11/22/2023 09:33AM I remember my teacher crying. It was really weird. I didn't realize that -- Shenhoo 11/22/2023 09:48AM Same here they pulled us off the playground and -- Lazarus 11/22/2023 10:17AM