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I'm not sure I agree with your logic there

Moving the limit for abortions up doesn't strike me as "a compromise WAY to the side of the pro choice crowd."

But maybe we can make it work for other topics. Let's rule Trump permanently ineligible for elected office. That seems like a move that heavily favors the MAGA crowd - they should be pushing for it.

(In response to this post by BocaHoo91)

Posted: 11/08/2023 at 1:01PM

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Very relieved that the abortion law in Virginia appears safe for at least -- Rumble 11/08/2023 11:41AM

Moving a cutoff to 15 wks like most civilized countries is "anti-abortion"? -- Hoodafan 11/08/2023 12:42PM

Why dont you propoose to move other things to -- Zhoo 11/08/2023 1:59PM

Because it’s freedom and limited government that made US the most -- SysHoo 11/08/2023 2:21PM

Lol what kind of jingoistic bullshit is that - freedom and limited govt lol -- vwahoov 11/08/2023 6:09PM

I think what “limited” means is in the eye of the beholder. And freedom’s -- 111Balz 11/09/2023 09:27AM

I think you're discounting a lot of US policy in the 20th century. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 2:30PM

So why woud you propose what europe does with abortion -- Zhoo 11/08/2023 2:28PM

Well invoking Europe for me is more like -- SysHoo 11/08/2023 2:31PM

I have no problem to envoke Europe for -- Zhoo 11/08/2023 4:07PM

Well, mostly because nobody believes that a Youngkin and a republican -- 111Balz 11/08/2023 1:30PM

Right. GQPs would accept 15 wks, then immediately come back for less.** -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 1:38PM

Like Florida? ** -- Zhoo 11/08/2023 2:00PM

Yes. -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 2:05PM

I'll agree to their abortion policies if you'll agree to their social -- southdenverhoo 11/08/2023 1:21PM

Yep, but that's a comparison the GOP has no interest in making. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:31PM

Oops meant for your "Virtually every European country" post below. ** -- southdenverhoo 11/08/2023 1:24PM

Can you name all these “most civilized countries” ? ** -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 12:43PM

Virtually every European country. ** -- Hoodafan 11/08/2023 12:46PM

Huh? -- ryno hoo 11/08/2023 12:54PM

Ok I will go down the list -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 12:50PM

It's been posted here many times. I have to run to an appointment, so -- Hoodafan 11/08/2023 1:18PM

My point is those are cut-off dates which are -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 1:37PM

What is the difference between a “ban” after -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 1:58PM

I bet a good chunk of MAGA would allow abortions -- Zhoo 11/08/2023 4:09PM

There are other aspects -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 2:05PM

Citation? I’m seeing 12-14 weeks -- SysHoo 11/08/2023 12:55PM

So those are different things, right? ** -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 1:33PM

The exceptions or extenuating circumstances aren’t identical -- SysHoo 11/08/2023 1:49PM

Expect to see an effort at a constitutional amendment. -- WanderingHoo 11/08/2023 12:27PM

Hmm, very good way to keep this issue, a winning one for Democrats, at the -- southdenverhoo 11/08/2023 12:30PM

Is a 15 week ban really anti abortion? That’s in line -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 12:21PM

Which European countries have that? ** -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 12:44PM

All of them except UK, Sweden and Netherlands -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 12:48PM

I think you are confusing a ban with different cutoff dates ** -- HoodatB 11/08/2023 12:51PM

You can’t have an abortion after those cutoff dates -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 1:27PM

The position isn't based on any principled or fact-driven viewpoint, nor is -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 12:42PM

Isn’t THAT the give and take? The pro lifers -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 12:47PM

I'm not sure I agree with your logic there -- Fuzzy Dunlop 11/08/2023 1:01PM

How about this logic. -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 1:24PM

To be clear, I'm speaking of this purely as a political matter -- Fuzzy Dunlop 11/08/2023 1:27PM

No, it isn't. And it was rejected. If GOP really wants a compromise, they -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 12:51PM

That’s fine. Thankfully it’s not really an -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 1:32PM

As you yourself have noted many times on here, Boca, nobody does elective -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:38PM

Which is why I don’t think such a ban, or lack of a ban -- BocaHoo91 11/08/2023 1:44PM

And yet politically, such "compromises" aren't working for the GOP. Rather -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:58PM

When it rolls back the current law, yes it is. -- WahooMatt05 11/08/2023 12:33PM

If you can have an abortion now at 15 weeks and 1 day -- WanderingHoo 11/08/2023 12:31PM

He’s radically right wing. Call him what he actually is. ** -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 12:14PM

But he wore a vest and smiled and didn't yell! ** -- Fuzzy Dunlop 11/08/2023 1:16PM

I would not characterize him as a radical. I think only members of the -- Rumble 11/08/2023 12:34PM

Or dishonest FOS Trolls, like the one you're replying to. ** -- Hoodafan 11/08/2023 12:44PM

Can you name anyone in GQP leadership Hoo you consider radical? -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 12:36PM

Ha! Nice attempt at deflection. ** -- Rumble 11/08/2023 12:40PM

So, crickets? ** -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 2:05PM

No. -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 12:42PM

What's moderate about him? How does he distinguish himself policy-wise -- southdenverhoo 11/08/2023 12:08PM

Then name 3-5 moderate Republicans. -- Rumble 11/08/2023 12:37PM

Well Boca, hool, and RML for three. Liz Cheney, Romney, there’s more -- 111Balz 11/08/2023 1:27PM

I don't think my inability to do so proves the point you appear to -- southdenverhoo 11/08/2023 1:09PM

I think perhaps you should define "moderate." Because most members of the -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:00PM

Thank you. I agree, particularly about Christie, Cheyney and Romney. -- Rumble 11/08/2023 1:10PM

John McCain would be another. A moderate and a patriot. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:13PM

I would also add John Kasich to the list though he is no longer in elected -- Rumble 11/08/2023 1:35PM

That's legit, though McCain is dead and we're talking about him. ;) ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:39PM

Yes McCain absolutely was a "moderate Republican" as is Christie. -- southdenverhoo 11/08/2023 1:18PM

I think you may be correct as to identifying one major cause. Another is -- Rumble 11/08/2023 1:26PM

In fairness, I think that shit started with Newt Gingrich. Trump is an -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:44PM

I can give you one from my state; Dan Newhouse. He trounced his MAGA -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:25PM

These folks think current Biden is a "moderate". That tells you their scale ** -- Hoodafan 11/08/2023 12:45PM

So do lots of people who give it any actual thought. ** -- SixerHoo 11/08/2023 1:52PM

Wait. What? I think Biden is a moderate too. ** -- Rumble 11/08/2023 12:59PM

He's an interesting case -- Fuzzy Dunlop 11/08/2023 1:07PM

The best way to make enemies on this board is to be a moderate. You get it -- Rumble 11/08/2023 1:03PM

He is. Hooda is on a roll. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:01PM

Yep, distinction without a difference if there ever was one. -- Chuck Taylor 11/08/2023 12:34PM

He's openly, vehemently anti-abortion and anti-LGBT ** -- Fuzzy Dunlop 11/08/2023 12:19PM

Plus we can pick up some abortion tourism $$$ from further south ** -- Tuckahokie 11/08/2023 12:03PM

I guess that 15-week "compromise" isn't so popular after all? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 12:14PM

15 weeks was a bit too soon...but certainly reasonable compared to -- Tuckahokie 11/08/2023 12:55PM

Reasonable compared to the old Confederacy. Low bar, man. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 1:01PM

I think in Virginia, the electorate just doesn't trust the GOP on this -- WahooKid 11/08/2023 12:28PM

I agree. I also think 15 weeks is completely arbitrary and ignores grey -- Seattle .Hoo 11/08/2023 12:48PM

It’s the world your party created. Embrace it. ** -- TomGlansAski 11/08/2023 12:04PM

What is “it”? ** -- Tuckahokie 11/08/2023 12:07PM

A world where we have a patchwork of laws on abortion and people need to -- TomGlansAski 11/08/2023 2:44PM

Batshit crazy ** -- WaxHoo 11/08/2023 12:12PM

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him -- Hoo TV 11/08/2023 11:57AM

What exactly makes him “moderate”? -- WahooRQ 11/08/2023 11:55AM

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