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This sounds like some sort of derangement syndrome to me -- Fuzzy Dunlop 06/29/2023 2:44PM A majority of these people don’t view minorities as equals -- hooshouse 06/29/2023 1:31PM Interesting article on that by Elie Mystal. -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:07PM More minorities live in poverty and are disadvantaged. -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:03PM Again though … there aren’t “race-based admissions.” That was declared -- WahooRQ 06/29/2023 2:05PM Then what changed with this ruling. -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:07PM I think you can still do that in your application -- Zhoo 06/29/2023 2:17PM Now schools aren’t even allowed to consider their interest in diversity in -- WahooRQ 06/29/2023 2:17PM But if race based admissions were illegal -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:21PM A bunch of resentful conservatives managed to bring a suit is what changed. -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:09PM My question is more basic. If race based -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:12PM My understanding is that race may now not be used as a consideration at all -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:19PM I don’t think race should be a consideration. -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:23PM I think it should be. But what you're suggesting is what will occur next. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:25PM Should a college be able to give -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:28PM Let's put it this way; a LOT more qualified students are going to apply to -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:34PM Should a school be able to -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:38PM Depends on the school and the situation. If you don't get in.... -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 4:42PM Ok. Should MIT be able to -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 4:44PM I'm saying that a ton of kids will be qualified that they won't be able to -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 4:47PM Should “Asian” be allowed to be -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 4:54PM I imagine it would be a number of factors. Race might be one of them. -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 4:58PM Pretty crazy. We have this black applicant and -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 5:09PM Who knows? You might go with the black kid. Beats tossing a coin. -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 5:14PM Right, but they are short on black kids. So it's stunning to me that anyone -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 5:25PM I thought this was a hypothetical? -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 5:28PM You said you're OK as race as a deciding factor, so I'm just trying to -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 5:38PM Well, not all Asians are good at STEM. But in this particular case, all -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 7:30PM But sex is still allowed to be considered? ** -- Zhoo 06/29/2023 2:21PM Justice Thomas would like you to explain further. ** -- FreshHoo 06/29/2023 1:55PM He kinda reinforces the point, actually, and Justice Jackson took him to -- WahooRQ 06/29/2023 2:04PM Its not lost on him -- Zhoo 06/29/2023 2:19PM Well with affirmative action and quotas there is a good chance it wasn’t -- TomKazanski 06/29/2023 1:54PM Imposing racist programs to address that deficit is divisive! People need -- Hooooooooooooooo 06/29/2023 1:52PM “… not believe they’re being discriminated against.” Even when they are -- WaxHoo 06/29/2023 3:12PM Even if they are being discriminated against. Have we got that right?** -- WaxHoo 06/29/2023 2:03PM I dont believe that fighting discrimination with discriminatory policies is -- Hooooooooooooooo 06/29/2023 3:07PM Doesn't today's ruling help eliminate that view? ** -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 1:34PM Yes it will be all merit based now -- TomKazanski 06/29/2023 1:55PM That’s the problem. Those types of shenanigans -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:06PM Maybe we need to go the other way and eliminate -- Zhoo 06/29/2023 2:13PM Absolutely agree that economic disadvantages are huge as well. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:11PM I don’t think it’s “as well”. Economic -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:18PM I disagree with that. Racial discrimination is alive and well. Indeed, -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:24PM You think the black kid at my sons school -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:43PM I honestly don't know what that anecdote has to do with it. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 4:43PM I give up then. -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 4:45PM Look I just think that you're defining an outlier. The overall objective of -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 4:51PM I don’t think I’m defining an outlier -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 5:05PM Who says he'd be getting a leg up? Racial quotas are long gone. He sounds -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 5:11PM The data says he's getting a leg up. The Harvard admissions data -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 5:28PM Then, good. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 5:29PM So you're in favor of helping minorities that don't need help at -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 5:41PM I didn't say that. There isn't a perfect system and I don't think we should -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 7:25PM Ironically, when you talk about “the black kid (singular) at my son’s -- WahooRQ 06/29/2023 2:52PM I’m referring to a specific -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 2:56PM I meant the .01% of your kid’s private school class who is black is a -- WahooRQ 06/29/2023 3:03PM It’s not .01%. Probably 5% if I had to guess. -- BocaHoo91 06/29/2023 4:41PM Get with the plan, Tuck - having admission based on race is antiracist. ** -- ResistHoo 06/29/2023 1:41PM No. Not in the least. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 1:36PM Won't College admissions be more merit based? ** -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 1:38PM Not necessarily. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 1:40PM Waaaay too much nuance for me to understand...on to the next thing ** -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 1:47PM Remember how much simpler things were 50 years ago? :D ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 1:17PM In some ways it was better...it was fun being a free range kid ** -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 1:24PM Funny that old people said exactly the same thing in 1973. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 1:48PM I suppose...but my level of free range was much closer to my parents' -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 1:55PM Do you know that for sure? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:02PM Yes...at least in my and my brothers' case ** -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 2:03PM I don't know what that means. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:08PM Just like our Mom and Dad...not unusual to leave the house in the morning, -- Tuckahokie 06/29/2023 2:15PM Not unlike my son's childhood. So, what has changed? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 06/29/2023 2:27PM ^^^ same ** -- WaxHoo 06/29/2023 2:21PM And are again now …. I’m sure Nimarata is delighted ** -- WaxHoo 06/29/2023 1:19PM