So Congress should just let D.C. make its own decision, right?

Looks like CobhamHoo showed that you grossly misrepresented -- HoosWillWin 02/09/2023 3:59PM

It’s actually the opposite -- TomKazanski 02/09/2023 2:56PM

How would non-citizens cancel out black votes? ** -- SixerHoo 02/09/2023 5:09PM

They would cancel out any citizens vote -- TomKazanski 02/09/2023 5:30PM

To cancel out black votes they’d have to vote differently -- SixerHoo 02/09/2023 6:16PM

Yes a non citizens vote auto cancels a citizens vote -- TomKazanski 02/09/2023 6:54PM

OMG. You gotta stop, man ** -- WaxHoo 02/09/2023 7:43PM

What if the non-citizen votes for the same candidate as the citizen? -- SixerHoo 02/09/2023 7:08PM

You are calling me an idiot but this is so basic -- TomKazanski 02/09/2023 8:07PM

If the 10 non-citizens’ votes (who said they were illegal?) were -- SixerHoo 02/10/2023 07:27AM

No in your scenario then the votes would still be -- TomKazanski 02/10/2023 08:08AM

I’m sure that’s what you need to think. ** -- SixerHoo 02/10/2023 09:34AM

What if a German guy works for BMW and gets transferred to a US plant -- WahooMatt05 02/09/2023 1:49PM

He should not be able to vote. Whether you pay taxes or not is irrelevant -- GoochlandHoo 02/10/2023 07:56AM

I think it should be up to the locality. If the voters of -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2023 3:00PM

IMO, we're opening up a can of worms. Lord knows what ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:18PM

I really don’t care who votes in other local -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2023 3:44PM

Let's make sure we get that in writing. Another poster said ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:53PM

Werner will not have time to vote, since he sleeps during the day and -- TomGlansAski 02/09/2023 3:08PM

At least until he tries to see his wife ** -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2023 3:25PM

I think citizenship is an outmoded concept too, like freedom of speech. ** -- ResistHoo 02/09/2023 2:41PM

Then you totally failed civics my lad …. ** -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:26PM

Not really. In American history citizenship has not always been a -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:31PM

Laws permitting noncitizens to vote in the United States (link) -- Hoo TV 02/09/2023 2:56PM

Originalism ** -- WaxHoo 02/09/2023 2:56PM

God Bless America -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:38PM

Ha! Simmer down, it ain't that tough. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:39PM

Early Bob -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:47PM

Good pull! ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:51PM

Dig the suit and tie early 60s look. -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:57PM

Decidedly not dreadlock Rasta! You and hoolstop are supposed to come to -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 3:05PM

Regardless, non citizens should not be able to vote. It violated ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 2:37PM

Plus 1 on dreamers, fast path those brought here as kiddos. -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:45PM

I think the law/rules are only for federal not loca/state..... ** -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 2:43PM

A New York Supreme Court Justice said it violated state laws. ** -- Blah 02/09/2023 2:46PM

But you can change state laws easily -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 3:06PM

This is my issue: you don't want to give states too much flexibility ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:13PM

Should DC be different than states? That's my issue. If congress wants to -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2023 3:34PM

It's a fair debate. I'm a bit cynical to what some states/localities ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:39PM

Technically the constitution does not say non citizens cant vote -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 3:43PM

That's the irony. ** -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:44PM

I think Vermont already allows some voting ** -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 3:32PM

You might be right. I'm just uncomfortable giving to much flexibility ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:34PM

Which, again, is for the locality to decide, no? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:38PM

Not if it violates state laws or The Constitution. ** -- Blah 02/09/2023 2:39PM

Who is arguing otherwise? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:40PM

From the original post, it appears AOC unless she was taken out of context. ** -- Blah 02/09/2023 2:43PM

I don't think so. The question there is whether DC should have autonomy. -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:49PM

I get your point. IMO, the US Constitution should have the final say ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:09PM

Current SC if taking the same argument as abortion -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 3:42PM

Let's not play semantics like the 2nd Amendment. -- Blah 02/09/2023 3:49PM

No I am saying that the original constitution -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 4:40PM

Then what are you saying? Non citizens can vote? -- Blah 02/09/2023 4:45PM

I don't think he is. He's saying that the right to vote has clearly been an -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 4:11PM

It should not be an evolving concept. It should be clear who ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 4:20PM

If it never evolved, then only white men would be voting today...... ** -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 4:41PM

1971 was the last time we amended voting eligibility. 1920 before that. -- Blah 02/09/2023 4:49PM

The wording needs to be amended -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 9:10PM

Well, it used to be white property owners only. A lot of changes have -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 4:24PM

Apart from 26th Amendment in 1971, it hasn't changed for 100+ years ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 4:32PM

If we want to exclude foreign nationals from voting the best option is to -- Zhoo 02/09/2023 4:45PM

We need an Amendment to state that non citizens can't vote? -- Blah 02/09/2023 4:54PM

Yes. My mom and dad couldn't vote until they were naturalized. And paid -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:02PM

I don’t have too strong of an opinion here -- WahooMatt05 02/09/2023 2:50PM

They can have a say when they make the committment. -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:55PM

And honestly I'm not going to get too "outraged" over localities voting to -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:53PM

Fuck that! We can’t have a minor disagreement on the Soapbox! ** -- WahooMatt05 02/09/2023 2:59PM

Heads must roll! Posters must be "got"! ** -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 3:01PM

No fighting in the War Room! ** -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 3:42PM

Honestly, I do. I think he’s welcome here as a guest, continues to be a -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 1:59PM

No, the essential point is that it's for the locality to decide. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:00PM

Technically, I don’t think that’s true from a legal standpoint in DC. -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:04PM

You're correct that DC has little autonomy. I also support DC statehood. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:05PM

Me too. I certainly support it for Puerto Rico. ** -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:07PM

Yes. PR needs to be independent or become a state. Sentiment seems split. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:11PM

Prexit? ** -- WahooMatt05 02/09/2023 3:15PM

Not what she said. -- CobhamHoo 02/09/2023 1:49PM

You mean Francis wasn’t exactly honest in his interpretation? -- Hoodeac 02/09/2023 2:36PM

Where do non-citizens vote? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:31PM

A tiny fraction of the nation’s jurisdictions, and as I see Dan notes below -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 1:35PM

Hmph. Local elections and school boards for people who live here and pay -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:41PM

Well, it’s a somewhat big deal to me. I think voting should be reserved -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 1:48PM

Eh. Seems like a local issue to me. Is Congress discussing something? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:52PM

Ted Cruz stuck his nose in DC's business (link) -- Hoo TV 02/09/2023 3:05PM

Yes, because it pertains to DC. Montgomery County MD already allows it, -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 1:54PM

According to the link I gave you below. -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 1:54PM

I disagree. See Cobham's post above. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:57PM

I see it. You’re argument is that she’s taken out of context. -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:02PM

It is about the right of self-determination for D.C. residents ** -- DanTheFan 02/09/2023 2:17PM

Again, if that’s all AOC said, I doubt this thread would exist, and I’m -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:29PM

Well, to be fair, this thread exists, because Frank started it by -- 111Balz 02/09/2023 4:55PM

I guess. I think the fact that she’s invoking slavery over this is the -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 5:40PM

Well, she invoked disenfranchisement, which she says we gave a history of -- 111Balz 02/09/2023 5:54PM

I read it more as a claim that the repubs are extending the legacy of -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 6:01PM

I agree with that. ** -- 111Balz 02/09/2023 7:15PM

Worthwhile discussion. ** -- DanTheFan 02/09/2023 4:21PM

It's what she does. It's what she's constantly allowed to get away with. -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:06PM

I’m not a fan of populism on the left or the right. ** -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:09PM

Populism has its place. Stoking racial divisions and playing the racist -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:12PM

Populism’s entire purpose is to stoke something emotional to kill honest -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:35PM

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to have a serious discussion. -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:47PM

No. Nationalism can be many things. Populism in politics is about -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 3:59PM

OK, not really how I think of populism, but not worth arguing about how to -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 4:35PM

Because it appears to me that you are confusing “popular” with “populist� -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 5:37PM

It’s very rare that anyone can have a serious conversation with you ** -- 111Balz 02/09/2023 3:07PM

Liar. ** -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 3:12PM

You do it all the time. Even when I agree that non citizens ... -- Blah 02/09/2023 2:30PM

No. I think she has a good point. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:03PM

So in your view, a belief that voting should be reserved for citizens is -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 2:07PM

Could be. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:08PM

New York City till a judge struck it down ** -- HokieDan95 02/09/2023 1:32PM

Non-citizens can vote in NYC? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:34PM

Another Pew link about that proposal being struck down last year. -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 1:36PM

Violated the state constitution. Again, big deal. So what's with the OP -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:44PM

Apparently some tit for tat over a non-citizen voting proposal in DC. -- hoolstoptheheels 02/09/2023 1:52PM

A proposal that Bowser refused to sign. Yawn. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:56PM

I thought states' rights and closer to the people fGOP thought -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2023 1:30PM

If you suggest allowing and enticing a spike in illegals coming here is -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 1:44PM

From the articles linked above, the voters in question are not "illegals." ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:45PM

Don't believe there would be a distinction between legal and illegal. Nor -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 1:53PM

You don't, huh? Well that's one opinion. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:58PM

IF DC gives out a license or other form of ID to illegals, or only requires -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:04PM

If it's anything like WA, which also does that, it's of a type that doesn't -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:12PM

I wouldn't know. Neither do you. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:05PM

They can't. And I'm sure the answer is out there for you to find if you -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 2:08PM

When you find out, be sure to let me know. This seems important. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 2:09PM

What difference does how DC runs matter to a NY Rep? -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 1:31PM

So Congress should just let D.C. make its own decision, right? -- CobhamHoo 02/09/2023 1:50PM

I don't get it. What is this about? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:32PM

I believe what you meant to say to Frank was -- Hoodafan 02/09/2023 1:51PM

Old farts need a link? All the cool kids google these days. -- FrankGallagher 02/09/2023 2:22PM

Oh ok DC. For a proposal that the mayor didn't approve. More performance. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2023 1:55PM

So Congress should just let D.C. make its own decision, right?

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